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| Registered: August 22, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 1,807 |
| | Posted: | | | | What would think of having two distinct branches in the DVDP database?
1. FILM DATABASE: just for film data, original title, production year, cast, crew, and so on, data that fundamentally are the same (*) for all editions, localities, releases. (*=except a few exceptions that should be handled...).
All the owners of a certain film would contribute to the profile of that film, whatever edition, locality, release, they own.
2. DVD DATABASE: just for the data specific to a certain DVD as such: release date, type of case, price, locality, type of media, and so on, with distinct profiles for each edition, locality, media (DVD or HD-DVD or BR), release, and even for re-releases.
Only owners of that specific edition/release should be allowed to contribute to the specific profile.
How would it work? When you add a new DVD to your collection, the program would download Cast, Crew, and so on from the Film Data Branch, and the data specific to the DVD from the DVD Data Branch. And, when you contribute an update to the film data, that would benefit to all owners of that movie, even if they bought it in a differnt country, on a different media, or a different edition or release. | | | | -- Enry |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 6,741 |
| |  | Ron | | DVD Obermotz |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 168 |
| | Posted: | | | | I would also love to see this type of improvement | | | Premium member since 29 August 2002 ---- 
Proud owner of a Phillips 42PFL7862D since 27 Oct 2007 :-D |
| | Registered: March 20, 2007 | | Posts: 56 |
| | Posted: | | | | I think this would be a nice addition to the Profiler, especially since more and more different versions of the same movie are published (Re-Release on DVD, Blu-Ray, HD DVD, ...).
However, some things have to be considered:
Running time of a movie should be disc specific, because on some discs, the movie is cut
Translations of the movie title should be handled on the region, the disc is published in (e.g. if you buy the German disc, you are only able to change the German title and the original title)
It should be possible to add dubbing-informations to the movie (e.g. most animated titles have original speaker and local speakers) |
| | Registered: August 22, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,807 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Reihnold: Quote:
I think this would be a nice addition to the Profiler, especially since more and more different versions of the same movie are published (Re-Release on DVD, Blu-Ray, HD DVD, ...).
Yeah! Quote:
However, some things have to be considered:
Running time of a movie should be disc specific, because on some discs, the movie is cut
Agreed. Even if it's uncut, running time can change from NTSC to PAL. Quote:
Translations of the movie title should be handled on the region, the disc is published in (e.g. if you buy the German disc, you are only able to change the German title and the original title) If, for instance, you buy the German disc of a Hollywood flick, you could contribute the German title to the "DVD Branch" of the database, and the original American title to the "Film Branch". Quote:
It should be possible to add dubbing-informations to the movie (e.g. most animated titles have original speaker and local speakers)
I was justing wondering how to add dubbing information. Not just for animated movies.  | | | | -- Enry | | | | Last edited: by White Pongo, Jr. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 2,694 |
| | Posted: | | | | What do I think of this idea? Not much. Overly complicated from a programming standpoint, and it would be a bear to maintain. | | | John
"Extremism in the defense of Liberty is no vice!" Senator Barry Goldwater, 1964
Make America Great Again! |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 820 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Rifter: Quote:
What do I think of this idea? Not much. Overly complicated from a programming standpoint, and it would be a bear to maintain. I don't agree. Most of the changes would be in the database relationships. For example, one film can have many DVD releases (a one to many relationship), etc Most of the data is stored separately for film and DVD now. How hard it is to make the change would depend on what relationships are already defined and how normalised the data model is. |
| | Registered: March 29, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 4,479 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting EnryWiki: Quote:
What would think of having two distinct branches in the DVDP database?
1. FILM DATABASE: ...
All the owners of a certain film would contribute to the profile of that film, whatever edition, locality, release, they own...
I rather disagree with this idea. It would mean that a part of the database would be common to everybody, so in Europe, we would have to bear US zone 1 profiles. People who contribute in US zone 1 claim that their database was a mess because ping-ponging, and so they asked for very strict rules. In french zone 2, for instance, we don't have any ping-ponging, and our database is almost clean. So I really do not want to have to cope with that horror... | | | | Images from movies |
| | Registered: March 15, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 5,459 |
| | Posted: | | | | I like the idea in concept, but I agree with surfeur51, in reality we would be overrun with a US film database (it being the largest) and I've seen some shocking things in there!
You've also got the added problem of which profile to use if this were to go ahead - who would decide which profile survives and which we lose?
In short, nice idea but too many problems if put into practice. | | | | Last edited: by northbloke |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | OTOH hand Northbloke we would have to contend with users like surfeur who aren't interested in following the rules and believe that they know more than the people who made the film.  Skip  | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: August 22, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,807 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting northbloke: Quote:
You've also got the added problem of which profile to use if this were to go ahead - who would decide which profile survives and which we lose?
Why "lose"? There would be a common Film Profile. The first contribution would start the new Film Profile. Others could always update it, if needed. | | | | -- Enry |
| | Registered: August 22, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,807 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting surfeur51: Quote:
I rather disagree with this idea. It would mean that a part of the database would be common to everybody, so in Europe, we would have to bear US zone 1 profiles. People who contribute in US zone 1 claim that their database was a mess because ping-ponging, and so they asked for very strict rules. In french zone 2, for instance, we don't have any ping-ponging, and our database is almost clean. So I really do not want to have to cope with that horror... If your information is more accurate and you can document sources and so on, it should prevail on the "mess", if that is the case (I have no idea). | | | | -- Enry |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 465 |
| | Posted: | | | | As I've repeatedly stated in this forum (and on the old Intervocative site), I totally support the suggestion of having one cast&crew list in the database for all releases of a movie using the same master. The number of releases for a movie can go into the hundreds worldwide and for each and every one of these, cast&crew have to be taken from the credits for the corresponding profile. This situation is so unbelievably stupid it makes my head hurt. Being an object oriented programmer myself, this pointless duplication of data makes me cringe.  If it was for me, this would become the number one priority for the future development of the Profiler. As was pointed out in other threads about this topic, some obstacles would have to be overcome (like the rare cases where different releases use different language masters), but nothing that can't be done IMHO. | | | | Michael |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,694 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting surfeur51: Quote:
Quoting EnryWiki:
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What would think of having two distinct branches in the DVDP database?
1. FILM DATABASE: ...
All the owners of a certain film would contribute to the profile of that film, whatever edition, locality, release, they own...
I rather disagree with this idea. It would mean that a part of the database would be common to everybody, so in Europe, we would have to bear US zone 1 profiles. People who contribute in US zone 1 claim that their database was a mess because ping-ponging, and so they asked for very strict rules. In french zone 2, for instance, we don't have any ping-ponging, and our database is almost clean. So I really do not want to have to cope with that horror... Maybe, maybe not. I'd bet that comparing the two title by title (film title issues aside) you'd find the R1 profiles more accurate overall. But that's just my opinion. | | | John
"Extremism in the defense of Liberty is no vice!" Senator Barry Goldwater, 1964
Make America Great Again! |
| | Registered: March 29, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 4,479 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
...and believe that they know more than the people who made the film. ...
I never said that. You always attack me on this subject, but you are unable to quote anything from me saying that. Please, stop barking uselessly. We disagree about some rules, and I already noticed that you are unable to consider any opinion different than yours... | | | | Images from movies |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,321 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting EnryWiki: Quote:
Quoting northbloke:
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You've also got the added problem of which profile to use if this were to go ahead - who would decide which profile survives and which we lose?
Why "lose"? There would be a common Film Profile.
The first contribution would start the new Film Profile.
Others could always update it, if needed. There's several hundred thousand profiles already out there. That's what he's referring to. Not new profiles. It's easy going forward. But you would have a HUGE problem retrofitting this onto the existing database. | | | Get the CSVExport and Database Query plug-ins here.
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