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| Registered: March 16, 2007 |  Posts: 278 |
| | Posted: | | | | A number of people have voted no based on changes they claim I made to the "Common Name" of certain actors. I made no such change. Here is a screenshot of my contribution regarding those actors where I used the "Credited As" field  Care to explain where I changed the Common Name? |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 3,480 |
| | Posted: | | | | You didn't change the common name. You just added the 'credited as'. Perfectly fine. | | | ...James
"People fake a lot of human interactions, but I feel like I fake them all, and I fake them very well. That’s my burden, I guess." ~ Dexter Morgan |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | He offers NO DOCUMENTATION. gary Clarke may not be the same as Gary clark, in fact Gary Clarke could be a typo.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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Outta here
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  | Berak | | Bibamus morieundum est! |
| Registered: May 10, 2007 |  Posts: 1,059 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
He offers NO DOCUMENTATION. gary Clarke may not be the same as Gary clark, in fact Gary Clarke could be a typo.
Skip Agreed....  | | | Berak
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| Registered: May 19, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 5,917 |
| | Posted: | | | | It doesn't matter if they all voted yes, it will be declined with no documentation since documentation is required for all changes. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,480 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Dr. Killpatient: Quote:
It doesn't matter if they all voted yes, it will be declined with no documentation since documentation is required for all changes. He has documented the 'credited as' through the film credits. Why should he document common names if he isn't changing them? Now we have to document things we dont' change? | | | ...James
"People fake a lot of human interactions, but I feel like I fake them all, and I fake them very well. That’s my burden, I guess." ~ Dexter Morgan |
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| Registered: March 16, 2007 | | Posts: 278 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
He offers NO DOCUMENTATION. gary Clarke may not be the same as Gary clark, in fact Gary Clarke could be a typo.
Skip Why should I document what was already in the database. Gary Clarke was already in the database as U.S. Marshal Crawley Drake The Credits list Gary Clark as Crawley Drake. If someone made an error in the database, it wasn't me. But there's no reason for me to create a new entry for Gary Clark if the database already listed Gary Clarke as the actor. If Gary Clarke was indeed a typo, it wasn't made by me, and I changed the database no more than was necessary for this entry. In one breath, Skip, you have accused me of changing the common name, and then chastising me for not changing the common name. Do you see the flaw in your logic? |
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| Registered: March 16, 2007 | | Posts: 278 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Dr. Killpatient: Quote:
It doesn't matter if they all voted yes, it will be declined with no documentation since documentation is required for all changes. Bullcrap. Read the contribution notes, and tell me I didn't document those changes. Minor changes to cast list. All modified data is taken from the end credits (which are on screen in front of me right now) Changes include: Mayor Clum (removed first name, not in credits) Professor Gillman (Professor is spelled out) Gary Clarke is credited as Gary ClarkGambler #1 is actually credited as 1st Gambler Changed Pedro Armendáriz Jr. is credited as Pedro Armendariz, Jr.Fixed capitalization (per rules) on Rurale Captain/Groom Fixed capitalization (per rules) on High Roller Fixed capitalization (per rules) on Town Resident Fixed capitalization (per rules) on Ranch Hand Sanford Gibbons is credited as Sandy Gibbons Evan Osborne as Piano Player and Shane McCabe as Audience Member are in fact in the end credits. Uncredited entries are left alone although completely unverified, and I will be removing them from my personal database. |
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 | Kevin | | Registered March 22, 2001 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 609 |
| | Posted: | | | | And the common name fiasco rears it's ugly head again. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Indeed it does.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
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| Registered: May 19, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,917 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Leiterfluid: Quote:
Quoting Dr. Killpatient:
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It doesn't matter if they all voted yes, it will be declined with no documentation since documentation is required for all changes.
Bullcrap.
Read the contribution notes, and tell me I didn't document those changes. Bullcrap or not, all I had to go on what was posted here since I do not have the movie in question. From what was posted here, there was no documentation. Since you copy-n-pasted the documentation in here, I would agree with you. There was no change to the common name as it exists on the profile and the Credited As is likewise used correctly in stating how the person was credited in the movie credits. As it is, it should be approved unless you have to prove why the original common name is as it is. |
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| T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 8,736 |
| | Posted: | | | | Your update is absolutely fine, of course. I trust it will be approved by the screeners. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | I also voted 'no'. You audited a profile where the credits in the profile did not match the end credits. I don't know where those credits came from but they did not follow the rules. Rather than correct the credits to ensure that they matched the end credits, you left the bad data and changed the data in the 'credited as' field. Sorry, but that doesn't fly in my book. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,480 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Unicus69: Quote:
I also voted 'no'. You audited a profile where the credits in the profile did not match the end credits. I don't know where those credits came from but they did not follow the rules. Rather than correct the credits to ensure that they matched the end credits, you left the bad data and changed the data in the 'credited as' field. Sorry, but that doesn't fly in my book. The source for the 'credited as' field is the film credits. That is true. But that does not mean that the credits from a single film are any better as a source for the name fields ('common name') than what is already there. The 'common name' has a completely different nature than the 'credited as' field. Changing the 'common name' to match the 'credited as' name assures no greater level of accuracy than just leaving it alone. | | | ...James
"People fake a lot of human interactions, but I feel like I fake them all, and I fake them very well. That’s my burden, I guess." ~ Dexter Morgan |
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| Registered: March 16, 2007 | | Posts: 278 |
| | Posted: | | | | Who decides the data is bad?
I don't know where the existing profile came from either, but apparently,it got enough votes to approve it. If the existing profile is good enough for the online database, then it should be good enough to act as a baseline for changes.
You and Skip are creating these arbitrary rules that would require any submissions to go above and beyond reasonable validation. I think anyone reading these forums (and my contribution notes) can conclude:
There was misinformation in the existing profile
An attempt was made to correct the profile
The changes in the submission had the least impact to the database without sacrificing accuracy
For example, if I followed Skip's suggestion to change the First/Middle/Last name fields, someone else who has Gary Clarke linked to another DVD would have been up in arms because Gary Clarke was no longer linked to his role in Tombstone.
You guys are artifically creating a damned if you do, damned if you don't scenario. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting m.cellophane: Quote:
Quoting Unicus69:
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I also voted 'no'. You audited a profile where the credits in the profile did not match the end credits. I don't know where those credits came from but they did not follow the rules. Rather than correct the credits to ensure that they matched the end credits, you left the bad data and changed the data in the 'credited as' field. Sorry, but that doesn't fly in my book.
The source for the 'credited as' field is the film credits. That is true.
But that does not mean that the credits from a single film are any better as a source for the name fields ('common name') than what is already there. The 'common name' has a completely different nature than the 'credited as' field. Changing the 'common name' to match the 'credited as' name assures no greater level of accuracy than just leaving it alone. Perhaps, but at least it makes them accurate to that film. Leaving them as is makes them accurate to what? I don't know where the original credits came from so I have no way of knowing whether or not they are correct. The standard for credits is the profile must match the end credits UNLESS the actual name is different. Well, I see not documentation that the actual name is different than what is in the credits so I have to vote 'no'. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
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