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How to handle old data suspected to be from IMDb?
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantAstrakan
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I recently voted "no" on a profile contribution where a large part of the current cast list had been removed because, according to the submitter, it was "clearly a copy from IMDb."

Now, I tend to agree that the cast list in question was probably copied from IMDb, but we can't know that for sure. The original submitter may have read a book about the movie, or may have some other credible source for having included the cast members he or she did.

So, is there an official policy in place for suspected use of IMDb data? If not, what's the general consensus? Ken, Gerri, any input?

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Ken:

Ken recently allowed for this as the user noted. At least for the moment I will retain any (uncredited) data prior to July 2005 although I will probably be modifying such data to break any link to IMDb. However if the release was after July 2005 then (uncredited) data should have been documented for inclusion and if it wasn't ( and it more than likely was not) then it SHOULD be removed.

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I was just made aware of a thread which covers this:

http://www.invelos.com/Forums.aspx?task=viewtopic&topicID=158718&messageID=255336#M255336

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After having read this and other threads, I would be remiss if I did not comment on this blind belief in ending credits.

1) Ending credits are often falsified, especially in non-union jobs. I dount that you will find a David F. Friedman film with accurate credits for instance.

2) A recent hardcore release of four films, Diary of a Schizo (1972), featured a pre-implant uncredited Rene Bond. It is the only hard core film I hae seen of her pre-implants. How do I know it is here? I recognize her.

3) Laure, recently released, according to the credits, was written by, directed by, and features Emmanuelle Arsan. Just a few problems there. The actress credited as Emmanuelle Arsan is actually Marayat Bibidh (The Sand Pebbles), and the writer/director was her UNESCO diplomat husband Louis-Jacques Rollet-Andriane, who used the fake name to avoid scandal in his job. He also penned Emmanuelle, the Joys of a Woman and Emmanuelle the Anti-Virgin, which were later combined into one book. He was a vocal proponent of free love, and she supposedly inspired his writing.

I gave up trying to fix IMDb as they hae made it way too difficult and time consuming. After my brief foray into DVD Profiling, I am about to make the same decision here.

I woulder if I subbmitted changes to the above films with justifications like, I recognised her face and boobs, the director supplied the information in an interview, or exhaustive research including the writing of Joe Bob briggs, Linda lovelace's second biography, and two interviews on the disk special features would get the changes accepted.

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I gave up trying to fix IMDb as they hae made it way too difficult and time consuming. After my brief foray into DVD Profiling, I am about to make the same decision here.


Chris


Yes, I note all of your submissions and voting here Chris. We sure will miss them 
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WKD 
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I gave up trying to fix IMDb as they hae made it way too difficult and time consuming. After my brief foray into DVD Profiling, I am about to make the same decision here.

If it frustrates you too much, just make the changes local and lock the profiles...

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I gave up trying to fix IMDb as they hae made it way too difficult and time consuming. After my brief foray into DVD Profiling, I am about to make the same decision here.


Chris


Yes, I note all of your submissions and voting here Chris. We sure will miss them 


It's a really useful new feature that Ken has implemented isn't it 
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I couldn't resist saying something - I did try to - but I just couldn't 
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I suspected I could count on you lot for intelligent discusion of my technical points. Thank you very much for confirming my suspicions.

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I suspected I could count on you lot for intelligent discusion of my technical points. Thank you very much for confirming my suspicions.

Chris


OK .......

Quoting tuna:
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After having read this and other threads, I would be remiss if I did not comment on this blind belief in ending credits.

1) Ending credits are often falsified, especially in non-union jobs. I dount that you will find a David F. Friedman film with accurate credits for instance.


That's what the "Credited As" feature is for.

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2) A recent hardcore release of four films, Diary of a Schizo (1972), featured a pre-implant uncredited Rene Bond. It is the only hard core film I hae seen of her pre-implants. How do I know it is here? I recognize her.

State that in your contribution notes.

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3) Laure, recently released, according to the credits, was written by, directed by, and features Emmanuelle Arsan. Just a few problems there. The actress credited as Emmanuelle Arsan is actually Marayat Bibidh (The Sand Pebbles), and the writer/director was her UNESCO diplomat husband Louis-Jacques Rollet-Andriane, who used the fake name to avoid scandal in his job. He also penned Emmanuelle, the Joys of a Woman and Emmanuelle the Anti-Virgin, which were later combined into one book. He was a vocal proponent of free love, and she supposedly inspired his writing.

Again, the "Credited As" feature covers this.

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I woulder if I subbmitted changes to the above films with justifications like, I recognised her face and boobs, the director supplied the information in an interview, or exhaustive research including the writing of Joe Bob briggs, Linda lovelace's second biography, and two interviews on the disk special features would get the changes accepted.

What do you think would be wrong with such contribution notes?
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Quoting tuna:
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After having read this and other threads, I would be remiss if I did not comment on this blind belief in ending credits.

1) Ending credits are often falsified, especially in non-union jobs. I dount that you will find a David F. Friedman film with accurate credits for instance.


That's what the "Credited As" feature is for.

Ok, but how do you veryify the credited as feature?

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3) Laure, recently released, according to the credits, was written by, directed by, and features Emmanuelle Arsan. Just a few problems there. The actress credited as Emmanuelle Arsan is actually Marayat Bibidh (The Sand Pebbles), and the writer/director was her UNESCO diplomat husband Louis-Jacques Rollet-Andriane, who used the fake name to avoid scandal in his job. He also penned Emmanuelle, the Joys of a Woman and Emmanuelle the Anti-Virgin, which were later combined into one book. He was a vocal proponent of free love, and she supposedly inspired his writing.


Again, the "Credited As" feature covers this.

Possibly, but I am not sure how I would even begin to format those changes. Perhaps that is why nearly all sources have always had this wrong.


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I woulder if I subbmitted changes to the above films with justifications like, I recognised her face and boobs, the director supplied the information in an interview, or exhaustive research including the writing of Joe Bob briggs, Linda lovelace's second biography, and two interviews on the disk special features would get the changes accepted.

What do you think would be wrong with such contribution notes?

I would guess my recognition of Rene Bond would be rejected out of hand as unverified data. Similarly, appearing as data might well rely on my personal knowledge, and would not be acceptable justification for a change. It is possible the Laure data would be accepted.

And thank you for addressing the issues. For the people who found it amusing that I have not done done a lot of contributing, I see adding correct data to this database as free work. Obviously, they see it as a rare privledge belonging to the annoited few. And you have no idea what I did and didn't contribute to the old database.

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Chris:

What you did or didn't do in the old Db is irrelevant, right now you are whining.  Personally I don't see any problem with any of you described, but that's really neither here nor there. Whining really puts me off. If you want to particiapte, great, if not don't whine about it just do whatever you are going to do.

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Tuna, I don't see a problem with any of what you said. The Laure stuff are know, Rene Bond is really easy to spot on a movie and must of the time you got the real name in the commentary. So if I had any of these DVD those contribution will get a yes from me if I can verify the change.
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And thank you for addressing the issues. For the people who found it amusing that I have not done done a lot of contributing, I see adding correct data to this database as free work.
Chris


Not done a lot = zero


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And you have no idea what I did and didn't contribute to the old database.

Chris


Actually you can see what you did Chris, at the 'old site' your contributions counted on your 'post count'. You joined in March 2000, and in seven years you accumulated a 'post count/contribution' of 6.

Six 

I couldn't give a monkeys if you help the community by trying to participate in improving the database, or just use what others have done. But don't try and BS everyone that you were actively contributing in the past.
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And thank you for addressing the issues. For the people who found it amusing that I have not done done a lot of contributing, I see adding correct data to this database as free work.
Chris


Not done a lot = zero


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And you have no idea what I did and didn't contribute to the old database.

Chris


Actually you can see what you did Chris, at the 'old site' your contributions counted on your 'post count'. You joined in March 2000, and in seven years you accumulated a 'post count/contribution' of 6.

Six 

I couldn't give a monkeys if you help the community by trying to participate in improving the database, or just use what others have done. But don't try and BS everyone that you were actively contributing in the past.



Perhaps the punctuation is incorrect for his profile
6,406

should read
6.406

I mean with such a high contribution rate.

Steve
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