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Aspect Ratio and Formats question for the teckies. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 582 |
| | Posted: | | | | I'm auditing the profile for "Addicted to love", UPC: 0-85391-52522-6, it's a double-sided with 4:3 and 16x9 versions. The current profiles has the video formats as follows.
Full Frame
Widescreen
16x9 Enhanced
Ratio: 1.85:1
My question is, shouldn't it be Pan & Scan instead of full frame ? My understanding of full frame is that it is for movies that were filmed with a aspect ratio of 1.33:1. I know it may seem like a stupid question but I'm not sure and I want to double-check before changing it. | | | My 4x4 Club: Club FJ Cruiser Quebec
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| | Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 2,694 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Touti: Quote:
I'm auditing the profile for "Addicted to love", UPC: 0-85391-52522-6, it's a double-sided with 4:3 and 16x9 versions. The current profiles has the video formats as follows.
Full Frame
Widescreen
16x9 Enhanced
Ratio: 1.85:1
My question is, shouldn't it be Pan & Scan instead of full frame ? My understanding of full frame is that it is for movies that were filmed with a aspect ratio of 1.33:1. I know it may seem like a stupid question but I'm not sure and I want to double-check before changing it. Absolutely. Its easy to tell too. Find a scene in the 16x9 version where one of the characters moves from one side of the frame to the other, but the frame itself stays static. Find the same scene in the 4x3 and watch that character. If it follows the character, the background frame will shift as he moves. That's a dead giveaway to P&S. | | | John
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| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Typically 1.85's will be Full screen as opposed to P &S ( but NOT always). They are usually matted and more information will be revealed at the top and bottom, than would be in the Widescreen version. This added information can be very entertaining from time to time, revealing boom mikes, part of a crew person, or in one of the more famous instances from Pee Wee's Big Adventure a scene where Pee Wee is apparently pulling endless lengths of chain from his bicycle basket, ih the FF version it is revealed that there is no bottom in the basket and there is a pile of chain on the pavement . Coupling this with Rifter's information should help you figure it out.
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| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 2,217 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Touti: Quote:
My question is, shouldn't it be Pan & Scan instead of full frame ? Depends on what is is.  The 1,33:1 can be both, a pan and scan of the 1,85:1 or an opened matte, thus full frame Have a look at a frame with good background, e.g. a street scene, on both versions (make screenshots if you can play them on your computer). If the 1,33:1 lacks information left and right, it's p&s, if it has the same width and more picture at the top and the bottom than on the 1,85:1 side, it is an opened matte. cya, Mithi | | | | Mithi's little XSLT tinkering - the power of XML --- DVD-Profiler Mini-Wiki |
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| | Posted: | | | | Thanks to you guys, I apparently always misunderstood Full Frame. I thought the term only applied to movies that were filmed only in a 1.33:1 ratio and that P&S applied to ANY "standard version" of a widescreen movie. | | | My 4x4 Club: Club FJ Cruiser Quebec
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| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Actually you have the correct definition of Full Frame, Touti. The "correct" technical description for what is being described is Full Screen or Pan & Scan. Old TV shows are Full frame, MOST movies pre-1955 are FF. Pee Wee's Big Adventure would WS/FS technically, but we only use the single term.
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| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 582 |
| | Posted: | | | | So are you saying that any 1.33:1 version of a widescreen movie is a P&S and not Full Frame or am I getting you wrong ?
Using the method Rifter suggested I couldn't find any scene that definitely shows which one it would be so I didn't change it in my contribution but Full Frame seems wrong to me.
Edit: I'm gonna try Mithi's method this afternoon, I missed that post this morning. | | | My 4x4 Club: Club FJ Cruiser Quebec
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| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | As I said typically 1.85s are matted to FS(FF for our purposes), but this is nNOT always true. If you can't figure it out then you are doing the right thing by not changing. Addicted to Love, if I had to guess, would moist likely be matted to FF as opposed to P&S, but that is just an educated guess.
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Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 5,494 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
Typically 1.85's will be Full screen as opposed to P &S ( but NOT always). They are usually matted and more information will be revealed at the top and bottom, than would be in the Widescreen version. This added information can be very entertaining from time to time, revealing boom mikes, part of a crew person, or in one of the more famous instances from Pee Wee's Big Adventure a scene where Pee Wee is apparently pulling endless lengths of chain from his bicycle basket, ih the FF version it is revealed that there is no bottom in the basket and there is a pile of chain on the pavement . And don't forget that great scene from A Fish Called Wanda, where John Cleese is dancing around with his underwear on his head, and gets confronted by the Parents and the children,, and, where he is supposed to be nude, the 1:33.1 shows the very top of his underwear He is really wearing in the studio for that camera shot.. | | | In the 60's, People took Acid to make the world Weird. Now the World is weird and People take Prozac to make it Normal.
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| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 582 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Mithi: Quote:
Quoting Touti:
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My question is, shouldn't it be Pan & Scan instead of full frame ?
Depends on what is is.
The 1,33:1 can be both, a pan and scan of the 1,85:1 or an opened matte, thus full frame
Have a look at a frame with good background, e.g. a street scene, on both versions (make screenshots if you can play them on your computer).
If the 1,33:1 lacks information left and right, it's p&s, if it has the same width and more picture at the top and the bottom than on the 1,85:1 side, it is an opened matte.
cya, Mithi Finally it seems that it is Full Frame.   | | | My 4x4 Club: Club FJ Cruiser Quebec
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| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Which image is which Touti.
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| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 291 |
| | Posted: | | | | really. it almost appears that both pictures are the same depth, yet the bottom picture has move room above the background building and shows more of the dumpster. i think someone typed in the same depth numbers in the html for both shots...not nice to trick old people with bad eyes...  but yes, it looks as if the bottom is open mat. and he should stop that. krik  | | | | "Vampirism is still not a disease, Julia. Vampires are the living dead...dead...dead..." | | | | Last edited: by Krikarian |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 582 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Krikarian: Quote:
really. it almost appears that both pictures are the same depth, yet the bottom picture has move room above the background building and shows more of the dumpster.
i think someone typed in the same depth numbers in the html for both shots...not nice to trick old people with bad eyes...
but yes, it looks as if the bottom is open mat.
and he should stop that.
krik Top = Widescreen Bottom = Standard Why the same dimensions ? I'm not sure. When I do a "Capture Frame" with powerDVD it always return an image of 720x480. I tried a simple print-screen instead but I ended up with a black images when pasting in Photoshop. | | | My 4x4 Club: Club FJ Cruiser Quebec
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| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Yep, its matted to FF
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Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 15, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 5,459 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Touti: Quote:
Why the same dimensions ? I'm not sure. When I do a "Capture Frame" with powerDVD it always return an image of 720x480. I tried a simple print-screen instead but I ended up with a black images when pasting in Photoshop. There are settings in PowerDVD where you can customise the aspect ratio for screen grabs etc. I remember it could have strange results. I don't know where they are, as I don't use the program anymore, but playing around in your settings might help! |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 582 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting northbloke: Quote:
Quoting Touti:
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Why the same dimensions ? I'm not sure. When I do a "Capture Frame" with powerDVD it always return an image of 720x480. I tried a simple print-screen instead but I ended up with a black images when pasting in Photoshop.
There are settings in PowerDVD where you can customise the aspect ratio for screen grabs etc. I remember it could have strange results.
I don't know where they are, as I don't use the program anymore, but playing around in your settings might help! Gonna check that out tonight, thanks ! | | | My 4x4 Club: Club FJ Cruiser Quebec
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