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Utility for importing cast and crew from IMDB (Locked)
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DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile RegistrantMHoefler
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Please do not discuss or promote data scraping from IMDB or other sources on the Invelos forums.
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantRossRoy
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Well it does violate Invelos' policy about what gets in the online. But if you keep it local, and/or reorganize/correct the entries to match the end credit of the movie, what's preventing you?

I, personally, welcome such a tool. Importing from IMDb and then correcting to match the credits saves a LOT of work.
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It probably also violates IMDB's copyright.
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Quoting Touti:
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It probably also violates IMDB's copyright.


Yeah, you're right, I think I remember reading something on IMDb about robot and data scraping.
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I think if you downloaded the info BUT DIDN'T contribute  you should be okay.,.,

Now with all the info on the Invelos page you can at least sit and verify that infoagainst screen credits- make any corrections- and then submit., I don't see a problem with that. It could save you a lot of typing.
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This completely violates the spirit of Ken's dictum to not use IMDB data.  That's simple.

I wouldn't even think about using it.
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I wouldn't even think about using it.


IMO, it's your loss. I have no problem using a tool like that to get a starting point when work on cast and crew.

Notice I said starting point, I would never even think of submitting the data as-is, I just don't want to type the whole thing from scratch, when the data is available in so many other places.
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantMark Harrison
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Quoting RossRoy:
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It probably also violates IMDB's copyright.


Yeah, you're right, I think I remember reading something on IMDb about robot and data scraping.


That is absolutely correct.  They forbid screen scraping.

With that said, it's none of my business and I'll butt out now.
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If you guys want to use this, that is up to you.  However, since IMDb prohibits screen scraping, you should not be using the Invelos forum as the support forum for this.  Create your own site and leave Invelos out of it.
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That's a pity, because the utility works fine and it produces marvelous results! I think 30% of the profiles in the DB are incomplete, inaccurate or even are missing cast & crew totally. With a few mouse clicks I was able to get at least the most important cast and crew members listed or merge the already provided data with the missing rest.

Regarding IMDB: imho this is not "data scraping", because it's no robot that collects thousands of profiles to use them on another website or commercial application or something like that. It simply does what everybody does manually: writing off the cast and crew. The data must come from somewhere - you can not seriously ask from us to watch the end credits in slow motion to read and write off the credits?

Nobody can forbid me to copy and paste the name of actors and crew members - after all it's not patented information and the end result will be the same if I copy them or write them manually.

But ok, if nobody likes it, I'll use the utility alone. It saves hours of tedious work and prevents a lot of spelling errors, etc.!

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MH:

You ONLY think it save spelling errors, they are the single most inaccurate source for film data there is. And we don't write the credits off of anywhere but the film itself, that is what our Contribution Rules say.

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Of course as long as you do not Contribute the data, you can do whatever you choose.

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The problem is the architecture of DVD Profiler itself: it's plain stupid to have e.g. 28 versions of one movie in the database, each one with different cast and crew selections, because everybody spends more or less time entering the data.

Each movie should be exactly 1 time in the database, with complete cast and crew, verified by multiple contributors. Then, only different DVD versions should be entered in the database, but WITHOUT all the info about the movie again. Just the specific data about the DVD release (region, languages, edition, etc.) would have to added, nothing more. This would be a much better organization of the data and it would save much unneccessary work and confusion. Maybe v4.0?

In the meantime, I'll use my utility for myself and stop contributing (even if the profiles generated by my program are much more accurate and complete than many of others in the database).

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Quoting MHoefler:
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The problem is the architecture of DVD Profiler itself: it's plain stupid to have e.g. 28 versions of one movie in the database, each one with different cast and crew selections, because everybody spends more or less time entering the data.

Each movie should be exactly 1 time in the database, with complete cast and crew, verified by multiple contributors. Then, only different DVD versions should be entered in the database, but WITHOUT all the info about the movie again. Just the specific data about the DVD release (region, languages, edition, etc.) would have to added, nothing more. This would be a much better organization of the data and it would save much unneccessary work and confusion. Maybe v4.0?

That's exactly the way I see it, too. In fact I had made this suggestion about three years ago in the Intervocative forum. The only problem that would have to be addressed is the fact that sometimes movies have localized credits, for example animation films.

I'm still hoping this gets implemented in the future ! It would be great if you wouldn't have to enter cast and crew for every new edition of the same film (yes, of course I know you can copy&paste - but a change in the system would be much more reasonable).
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whatever people think individually, it's against the rules here.

Plain and simple.

Why do people try to make things harder than they are?
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